MODX like an arranger ?

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MODX like an arranger ?

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Hello !
New at the forum, I'm from France :)
Fan of keyboards for many years, I have always been disappointed to have to choose between synthesizers and arrangers, with my modx, I think I have the ideal machine! I spent a lot of time creating 12 performance styles to be able to play different styles as on an arranger, I would be happy to have your opinion ! thanks :D
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Re: MODX like an arranger ?

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A typical (Yamaha) arranger's style has 3 intros, 3 endings, 4 main variations, 4 fill-ins, 1 break (= 15 patterns, 8 parts wide). Each pattern usually has at least 3 different versions (major, minor, 7th), this brings the total to 15 x 3 = 45 (8 parts wide). On top of that you have 4 OTSes (4 parts wide), that can be combined in any permutation with those ~45 accompaniment patterns.

In your MODX/Montage performances you have 8 patterns in total (1 for each scene buttons), 8 parts wide. But no OTSes. To have some sound on the right hand (and maybe also on the left hand) you have to take away one or more of the 8 parts from the accompaniment to serve as solo voice. And you still have 8 patterns in total. So you could program 4 variations and 4 fill-ins, but only with a fixed pattern for every kind of chord (so forget major/minor/7th customizations). Or you could burn 6 of your eight total patterns to program a single full featured variation with fill-in (still limited maybe to 5/6 parts, given you want at least one or two layered sounds on the right hand). But that is hardly a style anymore. And there would NOT be any automatic switch upon chord change (= impractical to use).
Generally you do not have intros/endings (and in fact in your video you have none), because you have no automatic chords progressions. Every time you call for a fill you have to remember to press the scene button once again at the end of the fill (extremely annoying and error prone), otherwise the fill will loop forever. You cannot change right hand sounds because the voices are baked in the variation pattern, and cannot be changed at will. You have no harmony on the solo voices, you have no bass inversion on/off, and a lot of other stuff you take for granted in a real arranger experience.

I suggest you to check https://www.groovyband.live/modx/. This is a REAL arranger for MODX(+)/Montage, with features even exceeding top of the line HW units (including styles with 8 variations and 8x2 OTSes). Following the link you can watch some videos, read the online manual, and even download a demo for free.
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Re: MODX like an arranger ?

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groovyband wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2023 12:49 pm A typical (Yamaha) arranger's style has 3 intros, 3 endings, 4 main variations, 4 fill-ins, 1 break (= 15 patterns, 8 parts wide). Each pattern usually has at least 3 different versions (major, minor, 7th), this brings the total to 15 x 3 = 45 (8 parts wide). On top of that you have 4 OTSes (4 parts wide), that can be combined in any permutation with those ~45 accompaniment patterns.

In your MODX/Montage performances you have 8 patterns in total (1 for each scene buttons), 8 parts wide. But no OTSes. To have some sound on the right hand (and maybe also on the left hand) you have to take away one or more of the 8 parts from the accompaniment to serve as solo voice. And you still have 8 patterns in total. So you could program 4 variations and 4 fill-ins, but only with a fixed pattern for every kind of chord (so forget major/minor/7th customizations). Or you could burn 6 of your eight total patterns to program a single full featured variation with fill-in (still limited maybe to 5/6 parts, given you want at least one or two layered sounds on the right hand). But that is hardly a style anymore. And there would NOT be any automatic switch upon chord change (= impractical to use).
Generally you do not have intros/endings (and in fact in your video you have none), because you have no automatic chords progressions. Every time you call for a fill you have to remember to press the scene button once again at the end of the fill (extremely annoying and error prone), otherwise the fill will loop forever. You cannot change right hand sounds because the voices are baked in the variation pattern, and cannot be changed at will. You have no harmony on the solo voices, you have no bass inversion on/off, and a lot of other stuff you take for granted in a real arranger experience.

I suggest you to check https://www.groovyband.live/modx/. This is a REAL arranger for MODX(+)/Montage, with features even exceeding top of the line HW units (including styles with 8 variations and 8x2 OTSes). Following the link you can watch some videos, read the online manual, and even download a demo for free.
Lighten up, Francis...

The guy took his MODX to more than it is stock...

Is it as good as an arranger as a $6,000 Genos - no, of course not - and he has said as much on YouTube...

Is it better than the $1.500 (1/4 the price of Genos) stock MODX 6 he has - yes, of course ...

I am sure it took him quite a bit (a lot) of time and work to put all of that together - and I for one really appreciate it and like it.

As one who is continually going back-and-forth between purchasing a Genos or a Montage - I appreciate both him and his efforts tremendously.
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Re: MODX like an arranger ?

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Great. A lot of work but worth it.
You might have a look at this guy who has done the same for Montage.
The 60 Performances he has made works on Modx as well:


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Re: MODX like an arranger ?

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Awesome Cooly and welcome to the Forums!

You put a lot of work into that ...well done, enjoy... ((i))
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Re: MODX like an arranger ?

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Adding extra functionality is always a welcome thing. The MODX is definitely not an arranger keyboard but the lines are starting to blur somewhat and personally I think that is no bad thing. The MODX is a hugely powerful keyboard for the price and developing arranger-like features, even if not complete, is a great use of that power. It would certainly be more than enough for most people. So well done Cooly, great work ((i))
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groovyband wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2023 12:49 pm I suggest you to check https://www.groovyband.live/modx/. This is a REAL arranger for MODX(+)/Montage, with features even exceeding top of the line HW units (including styles with 8 variations and 8x2 OTSes). Following the link you can watch some videos, read the online manual, and even download a demo for free.
Do you have any plans on making Groovyband available for MacOS?
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mrkwinther wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 11:53 am Do you have any plans on making Groovyband available for MacOS?
No. Currently we have no plans.
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Re: MODX like an arranger ?

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Cooly wrote: Thu Mar 30, 2023 3:21 pm I spent a lot of time creating 12 performance styles to be able to play different styles as on an arranger, I would be happy to have your opinion !
Very Nice. You seem to have pretty much ALL the "bases" covered (Y) as these show quite detailed understanding of

the styles you depict . . Very accomplished playing - and VERY Musical too ((i))

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