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If I only want to record the A50 sound on my phone without singing, I'll prolly use the headphone jack to a 3.5 to usb c adaptor and plug into my phone and use the camera app?pjd wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 7:29 pm Hi --
I'm glad you've sorted through all of the options.
Yeah, the PSS-A50 has limited connectivity. Sounds like you may need a small mixer if you want to record vocals and the PSS-A50 simultaneously. (It's always another piece of gear, isn't it? ) Otherwise, you would need to lay down each track individually and then mix the tracks. The PSS-A50 headphone can be connected to other audio equipment (like a mixer) as long as one is careful with audio levels.
Perhaps there is a tablet-/phone-based DAW? I understand the reluctance to buy a personal computer, too.
I'll be on and off the Web for the next days. Take care -- pj
P.S. Neat video.
For that I'll be able to use my CLP745 for the exact same purpose. And after reading up so much I realized the only way to connect a mic and CLP745 to my phone is to use an audio interface.amwilburn wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 1:09 am Yeah a lot of Yamaha P series now has record and share (P225 /525 with built in audio interface as well).
Yup, CK series are great, easy to navigate, great sounds, built in speakers! And very light!
As pjd suggested, the CSP's are very simple to use (PS500 is a portable CSP) they have sequencing, audio recording (with infinite ping pong overdubs), built in styles, but currently no way to write your own beats/ loops (I don't know if that's important)
The Junods is a nice little board, but no built in speakers (does that matter to you?) also light.
Only the pro PSR's (psrsx series, Genos series) have onboard style making, but all of them have built in sequencers and on-board speakers.
If you just want to jam on a piano with built in speakers, *some* beats, audio interface so that you can record audio direclty into your cell phone while filming? P225/P525 would do the trick, but only have about 20 on board beats.
Mark
You can adjust the levels on the CLP. You just need to go to the menu (Voice Menu => Voice edit => Volume). You can expect a home piano like yours to always 'sound better' ( = more true to the real instrument) than a stage piano, as typically a home piano not only has weighted keys but also goes to great length to reproduce the nuances of an acoustic (sympathetic resonance, damper noise etc) that won't matter much on a stage piano. The stage piano is meant to mostly be played mixed with other instruments rather than solo, hence the sound is or can be adjusted so it does get 'on top'. Plus there are plenty of effects on board usually that far exceed what you get on a home piano.RoundedPlants wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:24 am Are any of these (ck61, Modx, sx700) going to sound as good as my CLP745 for piano? Yes the CLP have dual mode with strings and pads but somehow I don't know why when layered together it sounds so much better on the CK. Maybe due to the fact I can adjust the levels of the layers on the CK and not on the CLP.
720 piano *should* be identical to sx900. So, ok.sonic2000gr wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:00 am
It's difficult to say which of the three (sx700 - now 720, CK61, MODX) has the best pianos. Yamaha probably reuses the samples on all of these and is also well known for the amazing piano/acoustic instrument sounds. I doubt you can go wrong with any on sound alone. But:
CK61 - the one that is easiest to use, and the only one with real-time 9-drawbar organ control, and the most portable (smallest/lightest and runs on batteries)RoundedPlants wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:24 am why pick CK61 over a SX700 over MODX ? Who uses what and for what purpose ?
In part, this depends on which Yamaha piano sound you like best. As PJD said, the MODX gives you more available different piano sounds than you can get from the CK61, but that may not matter much, i.e. if the CFX happens to be your favorite of the bunch and the one you always end up using anyway. (Which isn't to say that the CFX necessarily sounds identical on the different keyboards, either.) But also, to me, equally important as "which has the best piano sound" is how well playable the piano sounds are from the particular action, and I think the CK61 action is more piano-friendly than is the MODX6 action.RoundedPlants wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:24 am Out of the 3 (sx700, ck61, Modx), which can I get the best piano sound from ?
You will be layering more sounds on Montage / MODX if for example you decide to use the amazing arpeggiators in these machines. They are not limited to the usual up/down variety, they actually create styles and you can run 8 of them at the same time. Goes into arranger territory if you are patient enough. And it's also programmable.RoundedPlants wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 4:13 pm If I already have a CLP745 (I mainly use Cfx or borsendorfer layered with pad) what would you recommend? I'm trying to avoid making the wrong decision. I recently learned layering piano, pads, and strings sounds great. Would I ever need to layer more than that? And what advantages do the Montage, MODX, or Fantom have over the CK?
The term "synthesizer' covers a broad range of boards. Some synthesizers are not suitable for piano playing and the like. But a keyboard like Fantom or Montage (which are also synthesizers) are fully capable of covering a full range of acoustic and electronic instrument sounds.RoundedPlants wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 4:13 pm I've been watching synthesizer videos and realized they're mostly used for electronic music. I mainly play acoustic pop classics like "Can't Help Falling in Love," "Make You Feel My Love," "Hallelujah," "Let It Be," etc.
Sometimes. But the advantage of more parts isn't just layering. It's also splitting different sounds across the keyboard, or using some parts to play backing tracks or sounds triggered externally (from a sequencer or another keyboard), or being able to bring different parts in while playing (e.g. a MODX performance might have 8 sounds in it, but it doesn't mean you're playing all 8 sounds all the time... which ones are sounding can depend on things like which notes you're playing, which scene you've activated, where your various part volume controls are).RoundedPlants wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 4:13 pm The CK can layer up to three sounds. Do people layer more than that?
I'd sum it up this way: Philosophically, the CK is about making it as easy as possible to do the things most people most often need to do. The MODX/Montage/Fantom are about letting you do almost anything you could imagine... but the trade-off is that doing those "things most people most often need to do" is more complicated than on the board that is designed specifically to do those fewer things much more easily.RoundedPlants wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 4:13 pm And what advantages do the Montage, MODX, or Fantom have over the CK?
A board you use is better than a board you don't. Download manuals and look up videos of how various things are done on the boards you're interested in. If you think a board seems overly complicated, then I'd say you should buy something else, even if it doesn't do everything under the sun or everything you think you might ever want to do. As long as it does the things you know you want to do now, you can enjoy it. If you outgrow its capabilities, trading up some years from now is not a disaster, and a lot better than buying something that you never use because it frustrates you.RoundedPlants wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 4:13 pm I like the look of the Fantom and Montage, but I'm worried they might be too complicated...Sorry for being wishy washy, just trying to avoid making the wrong decision.
AnotherScott hits the nail on the head. MODX has not let me down. However, be prepared to climb the initial learning curve and to keep learning. Fortunately, Montage/MODX are mature products and there are a ton of on-line resources for learning.anotherscott wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 6:51 pmI'd sum it up this way: Philosophically, the CK is about making it as easy as possible to do the things most people most often need to do. The MODX/Montage/Fantom are about letting you do almost anything you could imagine.RoundedPlants wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 4:13 pm And what advantages do the Montage, MODX, or Fantom have over the CK?
So basically, its kindof like creating backing tracks "from scratch" yeah ? So far previously on my old PSR-S I mainly use most of the build in tones, so I'm assuming the difference with the Montage/MODX is it can "create" my own tone to sound more like the original music when I'm playing ? So if I dont really need the exact same instrument sound when I'm playing a song, and I end up using the default "instruments/sounds/patch", then the workstations would be an overkill ?sonic2000gr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 5:13 pm You will be layering more sounds on Montage / MODX if for example you decide to use the amazing arpeggiators in these machines. They are not limited to the usual up/down variety, they actually create styles and you can run 8 of them at the same time. Goes into arranger territory if you are patient enough. And it's also programmable.
You will also get lots and lots of more sounds/performances plus synth engines to create your own (from scratch, if you wish). Beware, it's a very steep learning curve. As discussed many times around here, many people get Montage/MODX and end up using it as a preset machine. If you're not interested in this maybe a CK/YC would be better.
Oh, and to make your decision even more difficult Roland just released today a Juno-D update
Let's just say that a synthesizer is really intended to be used to synthesize or create new sounds.RoundedPlants wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 6:37 am So basically, its kindof like creating backing tracks "from scratch" yeah ? So far previously on my old PSR-S I mainly use most of the build in tones, so I'm assuming the difference with the Montage/MODX is it can "create" my own tone to sound more like the original music when I'm playing ? So if I dont really need the exact same instrument sound when I'm playing a song, and I end up using the default "instruments/sounds/patch", then the workstations would be an overkill ?